You should asked about his soft spot. His slavish subservance to Jews. He works for Ben Shapiro. Ask him why he loves Solzhenitsyn but never talks about 200 years together. A history of Jews in Russia. Or he makes videos about critizing Christians or Muslims. But never Jews? Peterson is a good goy as we call it unfortunately.
This psychologist didn't become something like a rock star for nothing.
Some people feel the same upon meeting you.
All of us have some insecurity that wants us to rule the world, more or less. I would like to expand on this with an example of a person beyond the garden variety SJW that even has the diamonds in his future crown picked out. You hammered the nail on the head with this one.
Your description of his stare is almost exactly like the Lady Galadriel chapter in the Lord of the Rings. It seems that others such as Tolkien have experienced this awe-filled wonder of someone looking into their soul too. Was he aware of your credentials and your controversial research and in particular The Jolly Heretic Public House? You could have given him the stare back!
It appears that your impression was positive. I've followed him since the beginning of his rise to fame, and initially found him to be quite compelling in his videos. I attended one of his 12 Rules for Life tour presentations and had my photo taken with him after the show. He was warm and engaging for the 1 min I was in his presence. I've listened and watched hundreds of his lectures and videos, and purchased his book 12 Rules for Life.
I felt his message was timely in that he was supportive of young men, with a message that was simple but one missing in the lives of so many young people who are raised in single-mother households. I applauded his stand on free speech and not capitulating to the stupid use of pronouns.
I've since come to regard him as overly empathetic, sympathetic, and emotional. I felt a lot of sorrow for his struggle with his health due to personal mismanagement of psychotropic drugs, but admired his ability to eventually overcome it. My appreciation for him began to wane somewhat when his daughter became a hanger-on celeb, along with it now seems his wife, both of whom have their own following. I don't know, but that just somehow feels like tacky overkill. He's become a millionaire many times over. Nothing wrong with that, and I believe he deserves his wealth and fame, but I'm no long very interested in him or his message. I guess I'm just a fair-weather fan.
I bumped into Peterson about 5 years ago in the parking lot of my city park. From about 50 feet away I saw a man staring at me as he was walking towards me from a 90° angle. He had some family members walking with him and I had a good friend with me ( we were out to walk our dogs). I realized it was Jordan Peterson and walked towards him. He continued to stare at me the entire time as I walked up and introduced myself. I asked why he was in my city and then we chatted for maybe a minute. He stared into my eyes almost the entire time. I walked away from the interaction feeling very odd. It felt like he spotted me then willed me to come talk to him. I haven't listened to another one of his talks since.
Ed, you relate a wonderful story of your meeting Jordon Peterson that raised a couple of questions in my mind. First, I'd ask why you didnt point out that neuroticism is much more prevalent among women than men (a relatively large measurable difference) and how that correlates with the feminization of Western Society. Second, with regard to his apparent penetrating stare, you might have thought to ask him (easy for me to say in hindsight) if he was married and if so, how he met his wife. Perhaps next time you meet. https://www.newsweek.com/jordan-peterson-wife-tammy-roberts-rehab-cancer-1825184 Or perhaps now something for me to ask him if ever he and I should meet.
JP as phenomenom resembles of this weird global thing where other side of world (here from NA to europe) some rockstar person comes and draws enourmous audiences with gigantic ticket prices. To put analog, Im fascinated by tidbit that Taylor Swift I think was performing in southern sweden 2021 or 2022 and semi jokingly opinion pieces were put that she (or other big US female artist) cause big inflation regionally if not sweden national level. Well, follow up to this is some economists recently have found inflation actually happened there. Was it because that event? Was there other factors... certainly, but I find this very fascinating phenomenom that singular people , world stars, can have this tangible effect in everyone's life somewhere even when they didnt participate.
Looking back some 10 or 20 years, liberal/left has their own trends, but at the same time right has had very similar dynamic in how to make money and how to surpass that other guy and make new record to gain status.... and it has gone evermore extreme, any way possible getting there ASAP has been acceptable(Uber, Theranos, WeWork as symbols of this era, among many others). Now these 2 worlds collide in big way almost any topic out there, as in society there has been only these 2 paths to go in life but perhaps previously more greyzone was allowed.
The penetratingly stare of Jordan Person almost like hypnosis, I think reflects his gift of insight and the ability to separate the wheat from the chaff. Understanding hypnosis is at the root of understanding how people can hold contradictory ideas with complete sincerity, or completely believe things patently false. It's akin to mental ascent but that term is too simple to capture the way our minds work.
Surely there's the possibility there actually is something wrong with society. Surely there's the possibility that some people are better than others. Sure people who aren't on the right are better off being pathologized away, but I think the right has legitimate grievances and has the moral duty to redress them with their own hands if need be.
What I told Jordan Peterson...
Would be great to get him on the show
You should asked about his soft spot. His slavish subservance to Jews. He works for Ben Shapiro. Ask him why he loves Solzhenitsyn but never talks about 200 years together. A history of Jews in Russia. Or he makes videos about critizing Christians or Muslims. But never Jews? Peterson is a good goy as we call it unfortunately.
This psychologist didn't become something like a rock star for nothing.
Some people feel the same upon meeting you.
All of us have some insecurity that wants us to rule the world, more or less. I would like to expand on this with an example of a person beyond the garden variety SJW that even has the diamonds in his future crown picked out. You hammered the nail on the head with this one.
Cheers!
Your description of his stare is almost exactly like the Lady Galadriel chapter in the Lord of the Rings. It seems that others such as Tolkien have experienced this awe-filled wonder of someone looking into their soul too. Was he aware of your credentials and your controversial research and in particular The Jolly Heretic Public House? You could have given him the stare back!
It appears that your impression was positive. I've followed him since the beginning of his rise to fame, and initially found him to be quite compelling in his videos. I attended one of his 12 Rules for Life tour presentations and had my photo taken with him after the show. He was warm and engaging for the 1 min I was in his presence. I've listened and watched hundreds of his lectures and videos, and purchased his book 12 Rules for Life.
I felt his message was timely in that he was supportive of young men, with a message that was simple but one missing in the lives of so many young people who are raised in single-mother households. I applauded his stand on free speech and not capitulating to the stupid use of pronouns.
I've since come to regard him as overly empathetic, sympathetic, and emotional. I felt a lot of sorrow for his struggle with his health due to personal mismanagement of psychotropic drugs, but admired his ability to eventually overcome it. My appreciation for him began to wane somewhat when his daughter became a hanger-on celeb, along with it now seems his wife, both of whom have their own following. I don't know, but that just somehow feels like tacky overkill. He's become a millionaire many times over. Nothing wrong with that, and I believe he deserves his wealth and fame, but I'm no long very interested in him or his message. I guess I'm just a fair-weather fan.
Maybe this is why I want to save the west
I bumped into Peterson about 5 years ago in the parking lot of my city park. From about 50 feet away I saw a man staring at me as he was walking towards me from a 90° angle. He had some family members walking with him and I had a good friend with me ( we were out to walk our dogs). I realized it was Jordan Peterson and walked towards him. He continued to stare at me the entire time as I walked up and introduced myself. I asked why he was in my city and then we chatted for maybe a minute. He stared into my eyes almost the entire time. I walked away from the interaction feeling very odd. It felt like he spotted me then willed me to come talk to him. I haven't listened to another one of his talks since.
Did you mention the show to him or asked if he would be willing to appear on it?
“The key to success is sincerity. If you can fake that you’ve got it made.” — George Burns (attrib)
Vox Day had JP figured out way before everyone else, and I have to say he was 100% spot on.
Ed, you relate a wonderful story of your meeting Jordon Peterson that raised a couple of questions in my mind. First, I'd ask why you didnt point out that neuroticism is much more prevalent among women than men (a relatively large measurable difference) and how that correlates with the feminization of Western Society. Second, with regard to his apparent penetrating stare, you might have thought to ask him (easy for me to say in hindsight) if he was married and if so, how he met his wife. Perhaps next time you meet. https://www.newsweek.com/jordan-peterson-wife-tammy-roberts-rehab-cancer-1825184 Or perhaps now something for me to ask him if ever he and I should meet.
"Roughly Speaking™?"
JP as phenomenom resembles of this weird global thing where other side of world (here from NA to europe) some rockstar person comes and draws enourmous audiences with gigantic ticket prices. To put analog, Im fascinated by tidbit that Taylor Swift I think was performing in southern sweden 2021 or 2022 and semi jokingly opinion pieces were put that she (or other big US female artist) cause big inflation regionally if not sweden national level. Well, follow up to this is some economists recently have found inflation actually happened there. Was it because that event? Was there other factors... certainly, but I find this very fascinating phenomenom that singular people , world stars, can have this tangible effect in everyone's life somewhere even when they didnt participate.
Looking back some 10 or 20 years, liberal/left has their own trends, but at the same time right has had very similar dynamic in how to make money and how to surpass that other guy and make new record to gain status.... and it has gone evermore extreme, any way possible getting there ASAP has been acceptable(Uber, Theranos, WeWork as symbols of this era, among many others). Now these 2 worlds collide in big way almost any topic out there, as in society there has been only these 2 paths to go in life but perhaps previously more greyzone was allowed.
The penetratingly stare of Jordan Person almost like hypnosis, I think reflects his gift of insight and the ability to separate the wheat from the chaff. Understanding hypnosis is at the root of understanding how people can hold contradictory ideas with complete sincerity, or completely believe things patently false. It's akin to mental ascent but that term is too simple to capture the way our minds work.
Surely there's the possibility there actually is something wrong with society. Surely there's the possibility that some people are better than others. Sure people who aren't on the right are better off being pathologized away, but I think the right has legitimate grievances and has the moral duty to redress them with their own hands if need be.